John and Jed discuss the role narcissism plays in religious leadership, particularly within high-control environments and prophetic ministries. Jed opens up about his own father's diagnosis with narcissistic personality disorder, using a compelling metaphor to describe the psychological burden and relational dysfunction that results. He shares personal stories that illustrate how narcissism is not just about ego or vanity, but a deeply dysfunctional need to remain at the center of all attention—even to the detriment of loved ones or the success of the ministry itself.
As the conversation deepens, they explore how these narcissistic dynamics become institutionalized within spiritual movements, such as the International House of Prayer and others influenced by New Apostolic Reformation figures. They dive into the use of technology—past and present—in prophetic manipulation, including early paper-based data mining, microphone and speech-to-text hacks, and even speculative future uses of AI and augmented databases. John explains how con artistry evolves in step with technological advancement, and how AI could further entrench charismatic fraud. Jed closes with a revelation about his father's obsession with a "database" used for ministry manipulation, connecting it with a long history of fraudulent techniques used by traveling evangelists.
00:00 Introduction
00:31 John and Jed discuss narcissism in leadership and its impact on faith communities
05:03 Jed shares personal insights about living with a narcissistic parent
11:14 John explains how apparent generosity can mask narcissistic traits
19:03 The structure of ministries shaped by narcissistic leaders
20:57 John analyzes historical faith-healing tactics and paper databases
24:28 Jed reflects on his father’s obsession with building a personal database
33:12 The role of technology in modern manipulation
40:47 John explores how memory techniques and body hacks can enhance cons
47:02 Jed describes the danger of AI tools reinforcing narcissistic narratives
56:07 Closing reflections on the risks of modern manipulation and the need for vigilance
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